Soarin at Epcot

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    Just rode Soarin 3 weeks ago. It has a new film showing cliche/predictable spots around the world. Very enjoyable and a huge improvement compared to the previous Soarin over California: film quality and relevant subject matter.

    And I'm still curious as to why are we greeted and briefed by a flight captain(Patrick) in the holding pen as if our scenic ride is on his plane or any airplane for that matter. I think we are still hanggliding aren't we?? Or maybe not.
     
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    They never changed out the pre flight instructions. In fact, at DCA they mute the over California part when Patrick says "Soarin over California". You can see his lips move. Over at DCA, the new film doesn't make thematic sense since we are at a California national park to see a movie about Californa not the World. The old movie was better. It had real locations and much less CG. Too many badly done CG animals in the new version.
     
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    Good point about CGI. They should not have done that. The world has countless high quality and real things to film already. The CGI should only be used for things that can't be found in the real, corporal world. I guess it's high time for me to reassess Soarin's new show.
     
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    Anyway I'm still curious as why we are greated by an airplane captain when we are on a hangglider. Well, at least before in DCA and previous EPCOT we were gliding to see the sights not burning fuel like on board a passenger jet or a small Sessna. Are we burning fuel or gliding????
    Which is it??? I wonder if a Disney storymaker can enlighten us(that's imagineer for those playing at home).
     
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    Your flying therefore you need a flight attendant. It's even weirder at Shanghai were you get a freaky magician doing preflight check. I guess flying is magical in China.

     
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    In addition to the overuse of CGI and gimmicky animals, another downgrade in the new version is the relative lack of movement. The California version had a lot of sweeping turns, along with tilting back and forth to simulate up and down movements. Most of the scenes in the new version have straight flight paths, showing of the scenery but ignoring the motion that popularized the ride in the first place

    I'm also glad that they were able to make new arrangements of the original musical theme for the new locations, but none of them are particularly impactful. The California version had quiet relaxing moments, and big bold moments; the new one seems to be mostly quiet and forgettable. Even for someone who is familiar with the tune, it's difficult to pick out the melody, and the constant changing instrumentation doesn't transition as easily as using a single orchestra and highlighting different instruments along the way

    The new version isn't bad, but it isn't nearly as great as the original. It's just okay. Which is probably not what they were hoping for. At least it fits the overall theme of Epcot a lot better (even if there are relatively few shots that connect it to nature and The Land)
     
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    Is ANY of the footage real? CGI Taj Mahal? Who cares?

    Even going back to CircleVision 360, it was neat to see actual footage of the actual places. Right?
     
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    Most of the footage is real, though nearly all of it has been "enhanced" to varying degrees by CGI elements (animals, people, boats, kites, balloons, spotlights, etc). Most of these are relatively minor (similar to the hang glider and golf ball in the original film), but it's the repeated use in *every* *freaking* *scene* that really detracts from the presentation. As far as I can tell, the Taj Mahal is the only scene that is entirely CGI

    When they were filming the original Soarin', Disney had to get special permission to film in a desert state park that hadn't allowed helicopters in nearly 50 years. I have to wonder why they didn't try harder to get permission to film at the Taj Mahal; and conversely, if it was an absolute non-starter, I have to wonder why Disney didn't scrap that scene entirely and film somewhere else (Angkor Wat would fill a similar niche). Considering that they had the entire globe at their disposal, it's really strange that they settled for a scene that is entirely CGI
     
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    Good points, Ferret.

    I remember when 'Soarin' Over California' opened and people complained about the jump cuts between scenes. Didn't bother me, since it was the same way 'America the Beautiful' jumped from scene to scene.

    Now, with water, dirt, kites, birds and clouds offering transitions between scenes, I'm not sure it's an improvement.
     
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    I agree. The CGI transitions seem more like a distraction than an improvement. Instead of looking at the scenery, your eye starts to try to find the thing that will cut in front of the camera to make the transition. If there were only one or two of these it would probably be fine, but it's used to the point that it feels very gimmicky
     
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    Every time that really fake looking elephant throws dirt at us I want to shield my eyes from it. Why do I want to be blinded by dirt kicked up by an elephant? Also, where is the splash of water when the fake whale splashes down? They could have put in that 4D effect. Each transition throws you out of the reality of it even more so than before.
     

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